So How Long Have Europeans Been in Europe? An Example of Sloppy Media “Scientific” Journalism

Recent media reports on a new genetic study on the origin of European male DNA trumpeted the findings as a “blow to theory of European origins” — but in fact the study actually specifically cautioned against final conclusions on the matter.

The study, “The peopling of Europe and the cautionary tale of Y chromosome lineage R-M269” by George B. J. Busby et. al., published in published in the journal Proceedings of the Royal Society B at Edinburgh University, was reported in many media outlets as “proving” that most European males are descended from people who settled Europe far longer than 5,000 or 10,000 years ago, as other studies have claimed.

The BBC, for example, announced the study as “DNA study deals blow to theory of European origins” and claimed that “a new study deals a blow to the idea that most European men are descended from farmers who migrated from the Near East 5,000-10,000 years ago.

“The findings challenge previous research showing that the genetic signature of the farmers displaced that of Europe’s indigenous hunters.”

In reality, the new study refused to make any specific conclusions, and warned that “more work is needed” before any final claims can be made on the exact origin of the R-M269 Y Chromosome.

The “R-M269” chromosome is also known as the R1b1a2 branch of the R1b haplogroup, and is the same gene string which was recently announced as being that of the Egyptian pharaoh Tutankhamun.

The study’s authors said that its researchers had investigated the “frequency patterns and diversity in the largest collection of R1b1b2-M269 chromosomes yet assembled” and that their analysis had revealed “no geographical trends in diversity.” This, they said, was in contradiction to what might have been expected if the male chromosome pattern had been within the last 5,000 years, as under the “Neolithic hypothesis.”

However, the study’s authors continued, “the existing data and tools are insufficient to make credible estimates for the age of this haplogroup, and conclusions about the timing of its origin and dispersal should be viewed with a large degree of caution.”

In other words, the study’s authors were careful not to dismiss any particular theory, and only pointed out a geographical anomaly in the Neolithic period theory gene pool distribution.

Where does this leave the DNA signature of the indigenous people of Europe, and Britain in particular? The simple answer is, exactly where it was.

The relative age of the R-M269/ R1b1a2 Y Chromosome has never been under dispute, and all studies have already shown that the first people of this type entered North Western Europe anywhere between 26,000 Years Before Present (YBP) and 18,000 YBP.

There is therefore no real “controversy” over the new study, as announced by the BBC and other media outlets. The Neolithic era settlement (circa 5,000 YBP) of Europe certainly also occurred. but it has also long been acknowledged that this influence was much smaller than the R1b population group, which has been settled in the British Isles region for far longer.

In any event, neither of the two population origins changes the claim of the British and European peoples to be indigenous to their lands. Most certainly they can claim to have occupied their territories for far longer than many Third World peoples such as the American Indians who are universally accepted as indigenous and given special rights and status to preserve their identities and culture.

The claim of the British and European people to claim indigenous status with special rights to preserve their identity, culture and territorial integrity, is irrefutable.

All that is needed is the political will to enforce those rights. And that is where all Europeans who are concerned about their peoples’ future, have a critical role to play.


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  1. Jim Diggory says:

    I am not so sure that the BBC misrepresented the facts so much as they failed to understand them. Having seen various BBC “celebs” on game shows I am staggered by their ignorance, Clearly the “dumbing down” attributed to the BBC is simply representative of the BBC.

    • Jim, do you honestly believe that an organisation the size of the BBC, with thousands of highly educated professionals working within it, would “fail to understand” the recent scientific study’s findings? Do you really believe that they don’t have professional scientists working for them who would understand very well what the true findings were? I’m sorry Jim, but the media have done this sort of thing time and time again when it comes to this issue. It seems obvious to me that they do wilfully misrepresent the facts. It is the majority of their viewers who don’t properly understand the findings. So the BBC and the establishment media play a game of oversimplifying and misrepresenting the results so that they can plant the belief in the minds of their audience that we they really are all quite recent immigrants. As for the ignorance of the “celebs”, I agree this is staggering but hardly surprising as the BBC only promotes celebs who agree to expound their anti-British bile. Such people are invariably ignorant and this has definitely led to the dumbing down of the media.

  2. The media, especially the BBC can misrepresent the facts as much as they like but they cannot change the truth. Most scientists want to reveal the truth and the majority of evidence so far shows that we have been here very much longer than this blatant piece of media propaganda states. The tragedy here is that the British media loves to belittle native Britons and Europeans. They desperately want to be able to portray Britain as a land of recent arrivals and must be so frustrated when the truth keeps rearing its terrible head at them.

  3. John Bean says:

    It is important for nationalists to take on board Arthur’s explanation of what the study on the Y chromosone lineage of European males means – and particulalry what it does not mean.
    Led by the BBC, the media in general has tried to manufacture a controversy on our origins so as to suggest that European man might only have been in Western Europe – and Britain in particular for 5000 years. Thus, by reducing our ancestral time lie it becomes easier to accept modern mass immigraiton of non-Europeans.
    The new study’s authors were careful not to dismiss any existing theories. Importantly, as Arthur says, “Where does this leave the DNA signature of the indigenous people of Europe, and Britain in particular? The simple answer is exactly where it was.”

    • I had always fondly imagined that the English are a Germanic people deriving their ancestry predominantly from settlers arriving between the fifth and tenth centuries AD. As it was these people who built England on the collapsed remains of Roman Britain they are the true people of the land despite their comparatively recent arrival – “comparatively” only when compared with very ancient times because fifteen centuries is still quite a long time ago.

      Similarly, the descendants of the far more recent British arrivals on the east coast of North America are the true people of the United States. It was they, not their Red Indian predecessors or the countless immigrants who have arrived subsequently, who gave North America its language, culture and institutions, who made the United States a nation.

      What I’m trying to say is that it is not length of residence on a particular piece of territory which gives a nation the right to claim that territory as its homeland, and to exclude others from it, but the creation thereon of the institutions of nationhood.

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